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Dashak 10 · Samāsa 2
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स्वामीनें विचार दखविला । येथें विष्णूचा अभाव दिसोन आला ।
ब्रह्मा विष्णु महेशाला । उरी नाहीं
svāmīnem vicāra dakhavilā | yethem viṣṇūcā abhāva disona ālā |
brahmā viṣṇu maheśālā | urī nāhīm
The Svāmī showed the consideration; there the Viṣṇu-abhāva (absence) appears. / Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśa — no remainder.
Rāmdās opens by examining the received account of Brahmā-Viṣṇu-Maheśa (the trimurti of creation, preservation, and destruction) and finds that on close inspection, even Viṣṇu's substantiality does not hold up — nothing remains once you look past the label. This opens a demolition of easy cosmological answers.
When you accept an explanation, test whether anything solid remains once you strip away the familiar label — don't let a comforting formula go unexamined.
उप्तत्ति स्थिति संव्हार । ब्रह्मा विष्णु महेश्वर ।
याचा पाहातां विचार । प्रत्ययो नाहीं
uptatti sthiti samvhāra | brahmā viṣṇu maheśvara |
yācā pāhātām vicāra | pratyayo nāhīm
Utpatti, sthiti, samhāra — Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśvara. / On examining this consideration — there is no pratyaya.
The standard scheme — creation, preservation, destruction assigned to Brahmā, Viṣṇu, Maheśa — sounds tidy, but when Rāmdās asks for pratyaya (direct, verifiable proof) rather than repeated formula, none is found. Naming a function after a deity is not the same as demonstrating it.
Before repeating an explanation you inherited, ask what actual evidence backs it — not just how familiar it sounds.
ब्रह्मा उत्पत्तिकर्ता चौंमुखांचा । येथें प्रत्ययो नाहीं त्याचा ।
पाळणकर्ता विष्णु चौभुजांचा । तो हि ऐकोन जाणों
brahmā utpattikartā caummukhāmcā | yethem pratyayo nāhīm tyācā |
pāḷaṇakartā viṣṇu caubhujāmcā | to hi aikona jāṇom
Brahmā is the four-faced utpatti-creator; here, of him, no pratyaya. / The four-armed nourisher, Viṣṇu — him too, only heard about.
Rāmdās names the specific attributes tradition assigns each deity — Brahmā's four faces as creator, Viṣṇu's four arms as sustainer — and notes plainly: this has never been seen, only heard about. Description is not verification.
Separate what you've personally verified from what you merely picked up secondhand, and hold each with a different degree of confidence.
महेश संव्हार करितो । हाहि प्रत्यय कैसा येतो ।
लिंगमहिमा पुराणीं तो । विपरीत बोलिला
maheśa samvhāra karito | hāhi pratyaya kaisā yeto |
limgamahimā purāṇīm to | viparīta bolilā
Maheśa does destruction; how does this pratyaya come? / The greatness of the linga in Purāṇas — is spoken contradictorily.
Even Śiva's destroyer-role is unconfirmed by direct experience, and Rāmdās adds that the Purāṇic accounts glorifying the linga actually contradict one another — the textual tradition itself is inconsistent at this point.
When your trusted sources disagree with each other, notice the contradiction instead of quietly picking whichever version is convenient.
मूळमायेस कोणें केलें । हें तों पाहिजे कळलें ।
तिहीं देवांचें रूप जालें । ऐलिकडे
mūḷamāyesa koṇem kelem | hem tom pāhije kaḷalem |
tihīm devāmcem rūpa jālem | ailikaḍe
Who made mūla-māyā? This needs to be known. / The form of those three devas arose — subsequently.
Rāmdās pushes the question back a step: granting the three gods exist, who or what produced mūlamāyā (the root illusion, the primordial creative power) from which their very forms later arose? The gods turn out to be downstream effects, not a first cause.
When tracing a problem to its root, don't stop at the first plausible cause — ask what produced that cause in turn.
मूळमाया लोकजननी । तयेपासून गुणक्षोभिणी ।
गुणक्षोभिणीपासून त्रिगुणी । जन्म देवा
mūḷamāyā lokajananī | tayepāsūna guṇakṣobhiṇī |
guṇakṣobhiṇīpāsūna triguṇī | janma devā
Mūla-māyā is loka-jananī; from her, guṇa-kṣobhiṇī. / From guṇa-kṣobhiṇī, the tri-guṇī — birth of the devas.
He lays out the received cosmogonic chain: primordial māyā, the world-mother, gives rise to guṇakṣobhiṇī (the stirring that agitates the three qualities), and from that agitation the tri-guṇa-bound gods are born. It is a longer genealogy, not an explanation of ultimate origin.
Notice when an 'explanation' is really just a longer chain of names — restating the mystery with more steps doesn't resolve it.
ऐसें बोलती शास्त्रकारक । आणि प्रवृत्तीचेहि लोक ।
प्रत्ययें पुसतां कित्येक । अकांत करिती
aisem bolatī śāstrakāraka | āṇi pravṛttīcehi loka |
pratyayem pusatām kityeka | akāmta karitī
So speak the śāstra-writers and pravṛtti-oriented people. / On being asked for pratyaya, many become enraged.
This is the standard account given by scripture-scholars and worldly, action-oriented people — and Rāmdās observes that when pressed for actual proof, many of them react with anger rather than answering.
Notice your own defensiveness when someone questions a belief you've never tested — that reaction is a signal, not a rebuttal.
म्हणोन त्यास पुसावेना । त्यांचेन प्रत्ययो आणवेना ।
प्रत्ययेंविण प्रेत्न नाना । ठकाठकी
mhaṇona tyāsa pusāvenā | tyāmcena pratyayo āṇavenā |
pratyayemviṇa pretna nānā | ṭhakāṭhakī
Therefore they should not be asked; they cannot bring pratyaya. / Without pratyaya, various efforts — are duplicity-upon-duplicity.
Since such people cannot furnish direct proof, Rāmdās concludes it is pointless to press them further — all their elaborate arguments, absent verification, amount to one deception papering over another.
Stop arguing with people who can't or won't ground their claims in evidence; redirect that energy toward what you can verify yourself.
प्रचितवीण वैद्य म्हणवी । उगीच करी उठाठेवी ।
तया मुर्खाला गोवी । प्राणीमात्र
pracitavīṇa vaidya mhaṇavī | ugīca karī uṭhāṭhevī |
tayā murkhālā govī | prāṇīmātra
Without pratīti (direct experience), one calls himself a vaidya (physician); uselessly makes fuss. / That fool entangles — every creature.
He gives a concrete image: a man with no real training who calls himself a physician and makes a show of treating people ends up harming everyone who trusts him. Unverified spiritual claims work the same way.
Before trusting someone's guidance, check whether their claim to authority rests on tested competence or just confident self-presentation.
तैसाच हाहि विचार । प्रत्यये करावा निर्धार ।
प्रत्ययें नस्तां अंधकार । गुरुशिष्यांसी
taisāca hāhi vicāra | pratyaye karāvā nirdhāra |
pratyayem nastām amdhakāra | guruśiṣyāmsī
Likewise this consideration — determination should be made by pratyaya. / Without pratyaya, darkness — for guru and disciple.
Rāmdās applies the doctor image directly to spiritual teaching: any conclusion here must be settled by pratyaya, direct experiential verification — without it, teacher and student are both groping in the dark together.
In your own practice, don't accept a teaching on authority alone; test it against your own experience before building further on it.
बरें लोकास काये म्हणावें । लोक म्हणती तेंचि बरवें ।
परंतु स्वामीनें सांगावें । विशद करुनी
barem lokāsa kāye mhaṇāvem | loka mhaṇatī temci baravem |
paramtu svāmīnem sāmgāvem | viśada karunī
What should be said to people? — people say 'this is good.' / But the Svāmī should explain clearly.
Popular consensus — 'everyone says it's fine' — is not itself sufficient; Rāmdās insists the teacher's task is to explain the matter with real clarity, not simply endorse whatever is customarily believed.
When advising others, don't just echo popular opinion — take the extra step to actually clarify the reasoning behind it.
म्हणों देवीं माया केली । तरी देवांचीं रूपें मायेंत आलीं ।
जरी म्हणों मायेनें माया केली । तरी दुसरी नाहीं
mhaṇom devīm māyā kelī | tarī devāmcīm rūpem māyemta ālīm |
jarī mhaṇom māyenem māyā kelī | tarī dusarī nāhīm
If one says the devas created māyā — the devas' forms came out of māyā. / If one says māyā created māyā — there is no second.
He now works through the logical bind: saying 'the gods created māyā' is circular, since the gods' own forms already come from māyā; saying 'māyā created māyā' is empty, since there is no second māyā to do the creating.
When examining a claim, check whether it is secretly circular — using the thing to be explained as part of its own explanation.
जरी म्हणो भूतीं केली । तरी ते भूतांचीच वळली ।
म्हणावें जरी परब्रह्में केली । तरी ब्रह्मीं कर्तुत्व नाहीं
jarī mhaṇo bhūtīm kelī | tarī te bhūtāmcīca vaḷalī |
mhaṇāvem jarī parabrahmem kelī | tarī brahmīm kartutva nāhīm
If one says elements created — they themselves are of elements. / If one says para-brahma created — then in Brahma there is no kartṛtva.
Two more options fail the same way: saying the elements created themselves is circular for the same reason, and saying para-brahma (the Absolute) created it contradicts Brahma's defining nature as actionless, without kartṛtva (agency).
When a proposed cause would have to violate the very definition of the thing you started with, that's a sign the explanation doesn't hold.
आणी माया खरी असावी । तरी ब्रह्मीं कर्तुत्वाची गोवी ।
माया मिथ्या ऐसी जाणावी । तरी कर्तुत्व कैंचें
āṇī māyā kharī asāvī | tarī brahmīm kartutvācī govī |
māyā mithyā aisī jāṇāvī | tarī kartutva kaimcem
If māyā were real, then in Brahma the kartṛtva is tangled. / If māyā is known as mithyā — then whence kartṛtva?
Either horn of the dilemma fails: if māyā is real, agency gets illegitimately attached to changeless Brahma; if māyā is mithyā (unreal, illusory), there is no substance left to have created anything at all.
When both options in a dilemma lead nowhere, resist forcing a false resolution — sit with the genuine puzzle instead of papering over it.
आतां हें अवघेंचि उगवें । आणी मनास प्रत्यये फावे ।
ऐसें केलें पाहिजें देवें । कृपाळूपणें
ātām hem avaghemci ugavem | āṇī manāsa pratyaye phāve |
aisem kelem pāhijem devem | kṛpāḷūpaṇem
Now all this should be untangled; and pratyaya should appear to the mind. / Such should Deva do — by mercifulness.
Having laid the whole knot bare, Rāmdās prays that the Lord's grace will untangle it so genuine understanding — not more speculation — finally dawns in the mind.
When you hit a real intellectual impasse in practice, turn the difficulty into a prayer for clarity rather than just arguing with yourself further.
वेद मातृकावीण नाहीं । मातृका देहावीण नाहीं ।
देह निर्माण होत नाहीं । देहावेगळा
veda mātṛkāvīṇa nāhīm | mātṛkā dehāvīṇa nāhīm |
deha nirmāṇa hota nāhīm | dehāvegaḷā
No Veda without mātṛkā; no mātṛkā without body; / body cannot be created — apart from body.
He shifts to a related puzzle: scripture depends on the alphabet or sound-system (mātṛkā), which depends on embodied speakers, and bodies themselves are always produced from prior bodies — never from nothing.
Trace any tradition of knowledge back to its embodied transmission — texts and teachings don't float free of the people who carried them.
तया देहामधें नरदेहो । त्या नरदेहांत ब्राह्मणदेहो ।
तया ब्राह्मणदेहास पाहो । अधिकार वेदीं
tayā dehāmadhem naradeho | tyā naradehāmta brāhmaṇadeho |
tayā brāhmaṇadehāsa pāho | adhikāra vedīm
Among bodies, the nara-deha; in nara-deha, the brāhmaṇa-deha; / see — in the brāhmaṇa-deha is the Vedic adhikāra.
Within the hierarchy of bodies, the human body is singled out, and within that the brāhmaṇa-body specifically, as carrying the adhikāra (qualification) to receive the Vedas — a traditional ranking he is about to unsettle by pressing the question further back.
When a tradition claims special authority belongs to one group, ask what that authority is actually grounded in before accepting the ranking.
असो वेद कोठून जाले । देह कासयाचे केले ।
दैव कैसे प्रगटले । कोण्या प्रकरें
aso veda koṭhūna jāle | deha kāsayāce kele |
daiva kaise pragaṭale | koṇyā prakarem
So whence came the Vedas? Of what were bodies made? / How did daiva (destiny) become manifest — in what manner?
He stacks the unanswered questions together — origin of the Vedas, origin of bodies, origin of destiny itself — showing that each supposed foundation rests on another unexplained foundation.
When someone gives you a confident chain of causes, ask 'and where did that come from?' one more time than feels comfortable.
ऐसा बळावया अनुमान । केलें पाहिजे समाधान ।
वक्ता म्हणे सावधान । होईं आता । १९ ॥
प्रत्यये पाहातां सांकडी । अवघी होते विघडाविघडी ।
अनुमानितां घडीनें घडी । काळ जातो
aisā baḷāvayā anumāna | kelem pāhije samādhāna |
vaktā mhaṇe sāvadhāna | hoīm ātā | 19 ||
pratyaye pāhātām sāmkaḍī | avaghī hote vighaḍāvighaḍī |
anumānitām ghaḍīnem ghaḍī | kāḷa jāto
Such a grown inference — samādhāna should be made. / The vaktā says: 'Be alert now. / On examining pratyaya, there is a corner; everything becomes patchwork. / Inferring, ghaṭī-by-ghaṭī, time passes.'
Rāmdās, as the speaker (vaktā), calls the listener to full alertness: once these accumulated inferences are actually tested against pratyaya, they don't hold together as one whole — they become patchwork, and chasing inference alone only burns through time without resolving anything.
Notice when you're stacking inference upon inference instead of testing a single claim directly — stop and verify instead of elaborating further.
लोकधाटी शास्त्रनिर्णये । येथें बहुधा निश्चये ।
म्हणोनियां येक प्रत्यये । येणार नाहीं
lokadhāṭī śāstranirṇaye | yethem bahudhā niścaye |
mhaṇoniyām yeka pratyaye | yeṇāra nāhīm
Worldly-current, śāstric-determination — here many certainties. / Therefore one pratyaya — will not come.
Between worldly custom and the many differing scriptural rulings, there isn't a single agreed certainty — so no single, unanimous pratyaya can be expected to emerge from these sources alone.
When authorities you respect disagree, don't expect them to converge on their own — you'll need to test the matter yourself.
आतां शास्त्राची भीड धरावी । तरी सुटेना हे गथागोवी ।
गथागोवी हे उगवावी । तरी शास्त्रभेद दिसे
ātām śāstrācī bhīḍa dharāvī | tarī suṭenā he gathāgovī |
gathāgovī he ugavāvī | tarī śāstrabheda dise
Now if śāstra's pressure is held, the entanglement will not release. / If the entanglement is released — then śāstric divergence appears.
He states the dilemma sharply: staying strictly loyal to scriptural pressure keeps the knot tied; but untangling the knot by reasoning it through exposes real divergences within the scriptures themselves. Either way there is a cost.
Be honest about the tension between deferring to tradition and thinking things through yourself — pretending there is no tension doesn't make it disappear.
शास्त्र रक्षून प्रत्यये आणिला । पूर्वपक्ष त्यागून सिद्धांत पाहिला ।
शहाणा मुर्ख समजाविला । येका वचनें
śāstra rakṣūna pratyaye āṇilā | pūrvapakṣa tyāgūna siddhāmta pāhilā |
śahāṇā murkha samajāvilā | yekā vacanem
Protecting śāstra, pratyaya was brought; rejecting pūrva-pakṣa, siddhānta was seen. / The wise and the foolish — both explained — by one saying.
Rāmdās signals his method going forward: he will honor scripture while still arriving at pratyaya, setting aside the pūrvapakṣa (the provisional or objection position) to reach the siddhānta (settled conclusion) — in language plain enough for both the learned and the simple.
When you finally settle a question for yourself, explain your reasoning simply enough that anyone can follow it, not only people who already agree with you.
शास्त्रींच पूर्वपक्ष बोलिला । पूर्वपक्ष म्हणावें लटक्याला ।
विचार पाहातां आम्हांला । शब्द नाहीं
śāstrīmca pūrvapakṣa bolilā | pūrvapakṣa mhaṇāvem laṭakyālā |
vicāra pāhātām āmhāmlā | śabda nāhīm
Even in śāstra, pūrva-pakṣa is spoken; pūrva-pakṣa means 'of the false.' / On examining, for us — there is no complaint.
He reassures that scripture itself contains the device of pūrvapakṣa — provisionally stating a view precisely in order to refute it — so there is no contradiction in doing the same; his quarrel is with unexamined repetition, not with the texts themselves.
Recognize that raising an objection in order to work through it is not disrespect for a tradition — it is how understanding actually deepens.
तथापि बोलों कांहींयेक । शास्त्र रक्षून कौतुक ।
श्रोतीं सादर विवेक । केला पाहिजे
tathāpi bolom kāmhīmyeka | śāstra rakṣūna kautuka |
śrotīm sādara viveka | kelā pāhije
Nevertheless, we will speak something — protecting śāstra, with delight. / Listeners, with attention, should exercise vivek.
He closes the samāsa by promising to proceed carefully, honoring scripture while still speaking freely, and asks the audience to bring their own viveka (discernment) rather than passively receiving what follows.
Approach the next teaching actively — bring your own discernment to it rather than absorbing it passively.